Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

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Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:04 pm

So I've had my cat for about 1500 miles, a bent shift shaft, new shoes, chain, sprockets, and letting a buddy ride the bike have been the only issues.

Just lately second gear started ratcheting out into neutral under 1/2 throttle or more and as of yesterday I have to press the shifter very gingerly to get the bike back into 1st from 2nd.

I've looked over the FAQ on 2nd gear and it looks like something I can do, but I'd be much happier to do it with someone who has done the job before. I'm in Long Beach, Ca and I'd be more than happy to compensate someone with beer, cash, accommodations....whatever. I'm a poor college student and the bike is my primary transportation. I'd really like to do this myself, but like I said, I think experience is worthwhile on this job.

I'm hoping there is either someone in the area or someone who would like to visit the LA area from out of town. One way or the other I'd like to put together a parts list, order everything, and overhaul the bike on a weekend.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby Garrison » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:24 pm

haacer wrote:So I've had my cat for about 1500 miles, a bent shift shaft, new shoes, chain, sprockets, and letting a buddy ride the bike have been the only issues.

Just lately second gear started ratcheting out into neutral under 1/2 throttle or more and as of yesterday I have to press the shifter very gingerly to get the bike back into 1st from 2nd.

I've looked over the FAQ on 2nd gear and it looks like something I can do, but I'd be much happier to do it with someone who has done the job before. I'm in Long Beach, Ca and I'd be more than happy to compensate someone with beer, cash, accommodations....whatever. I'm a poor college student and the bike is my primary transportation. I'd really like to do this myself, but like I said, I think experience is worthwhile on this job.

I'm hoping there is either someone in the area or someone who would like to visit the LA area from out of town. One way or the other I'd like to put together a parts list, order everything, and overhaul the bike on a weekend.



If you're a poor college student, you can run the bike without a second gear. Just run through first to about 40 mph and kick it up twice to third. 3rd has enough pull to get you around, especially if you're geared down -1/+2.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby Riser » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:20 pm

Just don't open the throttle up past half way in 2nd gear. I have a 'Cat with the same issue but unless I'm really trying to push it, it won't pop out of 2nd. Milk 2nd a little and you should be fine, or do as Garrison says.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:58 pm

Riser wrote:Just don't open the throttle up past half way in 2nd gear. I have a 'Cat with the same issue but unless I'm really trying to push it, it won't pop out of 2nd. Milk 2nd a little and you should be fine, or do as Garrison says.


I was happy enough riding around town without really pushing 2nd... The issue that concerned me was that the transmission seems to be getting worse. Since the ratcheting action in 2nd, I've had weird shifting issues. Sometimes the bike skips right past neutral. Sometimes it won't go into 1st. Sometimes it works like a charm. The issues all seem to occur in the 1-N-2 area though. Based on the 2nd gear article I figured this was due to abnormal shift fork wear.

This seems like a degenerative condition. I stopped riding the bike after the last time I took it out...hate to stop riding because something broke and left me stranded.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby turtlecreek » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:12 am

could he maybe have bent the shift shaft too? this would make the shifting hard. fixing that would be cheap and easy and then he could ride through the 2nd gear problem.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby Garrison » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:11 am

turtlecreek wrote:could he maybe have bent the shift shaft too? this would make the shifting hard. fixing that would be cheap and easy and then he could ride through the 2nd gear problem.

That would be pretty sweet and definitely worth the time it takes to investigate! :+1
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby CoolJoker197 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:08 pm

not to be rude, but eventually you WILL GET STRANDED after enough miles of doubling up to 3rd....ask me how i know.

a 'good' dealer will charge you approximately $1,500 for the replacement. 2/3 of that will be labor, other 1/3 will be full priced parts.

a word of advice: after you get it rebuilt, change over to GP shift (one up five down), your transmission will thank you 15k down the road :ok
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:55 am

Garrison wrote:
turtlecreek wrote:could he maybe have bent the shift shaft too? this would make the shifting hard. fixing that would be cheap and easy and then he could ride through the 2nd gear problem.

That would be pretty sweet and definitely worth the time it takes to investigate! :+1


That would be sweet...except that I just recently replaced the shift shaft.

The best solution in my mind is to fix it. It's that or get rid of the bike and I don't like that idea. Still holding out for that person in SoCal who has done this before.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:56 am

CoolJoker197 wrote:not to be rude, but eventually you WILL GET STRANDED after enough miles of doubling up to 3rd....ask me how i know.

a 'good' dealer will charge you approximately $1,500 for the replacement. 2/3 of that will be labor, other 1/3 will be full priced parts.

a word of advice: after you get it rebuilt, change over to GP shift (one up five down), your transmission will thank you 15k down the road :ok


I couldn't agree more. I'd rather go through the frustration of fixing it now than either getting stranded or having something lock the rear tire on me.

This is the first time I've heard of "GP" shift. What's the advantage? I see that you're touting longer transmission life, but how?
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby Flyby » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:16 am

CoolJoker197 wrote:a word of advice: after you get it rebuilt, change over to GP shift (one up five down), your transmission will thank you 15k down the road :ok

I`m about to hit 50K miles/80000km and no sign of tranny probs at all.
I`v made it a habit of shifting firmly but if 9 out of10 shifts are lame then yeah, the GP shift would prolly be your friend!!
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:08 pm

So no bites?

Oh well...Listed the bike on Craigslist today.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby sweetlou » Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:36 am

Swap the motor... used motors can be found for WAY less than a repair cost.

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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:43 am

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Can anyone identify the mystery stuff on the front?
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby sweetlou » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:34 am

I am not 100% sure, but the engine with extra plumbing on the front is a california engine. They have extra plumbing to meet stricter emissions.

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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby haacer » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:03 pm

I had a similar theory, but I didn't think that motorcycles had any emissions standards..

More research shows that Federal emissions standards for motorcycles haven't changed since 1980, but CAFE has changed over time.

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby sweetlou » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:28 pm

California YZF's build in california have special emission plumbing on the front of the motor. There is even a distinction in the VIN number. I don't know what it is, because I live in NY, but I'm sure if you search the forum you will find the information. It is well-known in the YZF community that California-built YZFs have a special canister in front of the motor. I believe it is filled with ash or something similar.

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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby Ghost5150 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:33 pm

If that is your bike up there Richardo, thats a nice bike.

I have people that do engine repair. 2 people. A little ride but may be worth the cost. If not take Lou's advise and find a used motor.

Johns cycles- 949-443-1194 (Tell him Keith sent you down, he works on my bike all the time. Tell him you got a yzf600r as well.)

or try this guy

Forgot his name but he does a lot of custom work for really inexpensive 949-636-3714.
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Re: Second gear repair -- Long Beach, Ca

Postby grandwazoo228 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:23 am

I think 2006 and 2007 YZF's have the air injection in every state. I think after '05 they have a catylist in the exhaust in every state. these motors are run very lean.
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