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Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:51 am

Let me start off by saying that I was not prepared for this. [I will be next time.]

I bought myself 2 tires - 120/70/17 & 180/55/17. Total = $125.00 (1 NEW - 1 Slightly Used [Still has all of the stubs])

Was told by a shop they would install both for $30.00. Brought it up there and wouldn't do it because one wasn't brand new.

So I left, took them to my house and started to work on them.

Removing the tires is very easy if you take a second to think about the whole situation.

-How do I remove the tires so easy you ask? Simple.

*CAUTION* - Extremely Simple Procedure Below.

So, I tried removing the tire with 2 tire irons but I don't have Rim Savers so I tried to figure out another way.

Ok, so when installing or removing a tire why is it so easy to get the first side on the rim ?......That's the answer to simple tire removal.

Break the bead this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUfYs30x5eU

1. Get a jigsaw with a fresh blade. [You'll need a short blade about 1 1/2 inch or just cut the blade you have.]
2. Drill holes right next to each other or just jam a knife in the middle of the tire. [Deep and Wide enough to fit the Jigsaw Blade]
3. Hold the tire upright and begin cutting the middle section all the way around in a straight line until you reach the end.
4. Now just spray the wheel with soapy water, flip the tire inside-out and peel it off the rim.

Takes about 5 minutes.

I'm at work but I'll post up some pictures when I get home.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:08 am

For Tire Installation: There isn't a truly "Easy" way to install them. (Unless you have a machine or are strong like the brawny man.)

Saying that, I'm 125 lbs. and 5' 7" and was able to pull this off. (With a lot of cussing and sweating)

These tires are tough and don't want to be stretched.

They sell a 24 inch tire iron at Harbor Freight for $5.99. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93230

Took that and cut it in half with a hack saw.

Went to Walmart and bought 3 Small Pry Bars.

Covered those in about four layers of Duct Tape.

Sprayed the Tire and Rims with some pledge.

1. Be sure to get 1 tire iron setup and left in place. (Leave this here to stop the bead from working its way out)
2. You should be able to get at least half the tire on by hand then block both ends with tire irons.
3. Just keep working around the tire until you reach near the end. (Easier said then done of course - you'll see :shades )
4. Then use the larger tire iron (the one we cut in half) to pull over the last bit of tire that its has the most tension.

Notes:
Plenty of non-petroleum lubricant and muscle will make this job as easy as it's going to get unless you have a machine.
Having a helper would probably be helpful as well.
I will continue to change my own tires and it's a great way to save some money.

Again, I'll post some pictures when I get home.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:19 am

Tire Review:
I can't relay to you how much better this thing rides.

I have been riding on the same OEM's for the last 5,000 miles.

I was able to get 9,100 miles out of the stock OEM's before seeing a bit of belt wear on the middle of the rear tire.

But they were showing signs of dry rot as well. It's a 2003 Cat so about 6 years old.

The bike actually turns and leans now! :D IT'S GREAT!

I can't tell a difference between the old 160 and the new 180 rear. (Except that it is a good bit taller than the stock 160)

But I have never ridden on a new 160 so I can't really compare.

I can tell you that the Michelin Pilot Road 180/55/17 fits like a glove and rides very smoothly. (No hugger modification needed)

I did have to bounce the tire a few times to get the bead to seat (Because of the slight pinching) but was not a problem at all.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby slickrix » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:21 am

Thanks for posting the link. Never thought to look on youtube for a video, but seems alot more straight forward than I thought.

What do shops typically charge to rebalance a tire?

Looking forward to the pics
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby slickrix » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:26 am

CWBerube wrote:For Tire Installation: There isn't a truly "Easy" way to install them. (Unless you have a machine or are strong like the brawny man.)

Saying that, I'm 125 lbs. and 5' 7" and was able to pull this off. (With a lot of cussing and sweating)

These tires are tough and don't want to be stretched.

They sell a 24 inch tire iron at Harbor Freight for $5.99. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93230

Took that and cut it in half with a hack saw.

Went to Walmart and bought 3 Small Pry Bars.

Covered those in about four layers of Duct Tape.

Sprayed the Tire and Rims with some pledge.

1. Be sure to get 1 tire iron setup and left in place. (Leave this here to stop the bead from working its way out)
2. You should be able to get at least half the tire on by hand then block both ends with tire irons.
3. Just keep working around the tire until you reach near the end. (Easier said then done of course - you'll see :shades )
4. Then use the larger tire iron (the one we cut in half) to pull over the last bit of tire that its has the most tension.

Notes:
Plenty of non-petroleum lubricant and muscle will make this job as easy as it's going to get unless you have a machine.
Having a helper would probably be helpful as well.
I will continue to change my own tires and it's a great way to save some money.

Again, I'll post some pictures when I get home.



How many tire irons did you use?

Also, anyone know where to buy a cheap motorcycle stand?
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:38 am

If it's anything like around here, be sure to really shop around for Price and QOS.

I am part of a local motorcycle forum (http://www.pensacolariders.com) so I hear plenty of gossip about shop reputation.

But it should be pretty cheap. $40.00 I'd guess.

I just did a ruff Balance and Alignment and it seems to be pretty good but I have yet to break 100 mph since the tire change.

I want to break them in first you know.

Here is my improvement to the youtube video:

When trying to break the bead, have a friend give the lever a good stomp near the breaker block while applying pressure.

Should take 1 hard stomp and you're done.

I meant to bring the DigiCam to work but I forgot my backpack this morning.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:41 am

slickrix wrote:How many tire irons did you use?

Also, anyone know where to buy a cheap motorcycle stand?


A total of 4 tire irons and some duct tape.

I just built a Mid-Stand....Works perfectly, stable as ever.

Be sure to lower the bike down before torquing the rear axle so you don't pull it over.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby slickrix » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:00 am

CWBerube wrote:
slickrix wrote:How many tire irons did you use?

Also, anyone know where to buy a cheap motorcycle stand?


A total of 4 tire irons and some duct tape.

I just built a Mid-Stand....Works perfectly, stable as ever.

Be sure to lower the bike down before torquing the rear axle so you don't pull it over.



So that is one harbor freight tire iron and 3 small generic prybars?

For anyone interested, found a good deal on a rear stand from Northern Tool
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200349259_200349259
Ends up bind $52 shipped for me

Do you have pics of the Mid-Stand you built ?


edit: stay away from the bike stand listed above. Its a good quality stand, but its too narrow for any sport bike. I think its designed for a dirtbike/motocross bike.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:16 am

slickrix wrote:So that is one harbor freight tire iron and 3 small generic prybars?


That is correct. I will post photos of the small pry bars I used later and how I wrapped them in tape so professionally.

slickrix wrote:Do you have pics of the Mid-Stand you built ?

This is exactly what my tire change looked like. But I didn't have my front air box removed or headlight.
http://www.yzf600r.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=519625#p519625

To get the real wheel on the stand just use a floor jack on the shock/pivot point, lift it an inch or two and place it on the blocks.

Strap it down if you want more stability. Take it slowly.

It's safest to have a helper but isn't totally necessary, just be careful.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:26 am

Word of Caution:

This method is almost guaranteed to scratch your rim without the use of rim savers.

I am not worried about a little scratch that I can touch up with paint pen so I went ahead with the installation.

I totally recommend getting the rim savers as they really save the rim. :nerd :roll

But the duct tape does a really excellent job. Just be sure to replace the tape for each rim you do.

And I leave about a 1/4 inch of tape above the top of the pry bar then fold that over and tape it down.

I only had a few minor scratches. No burrs or gashes were made.

In my small city, I was unable to find a shop that sells rim savers. It looks like one of those special order type deals to me.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby slickrix » Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:21 pm

Really like your idea for lifting the back without a bike stand. That will definitely be the route I go.
Thanks for the info

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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby CWBerube » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:37 am

Sorry it took me so long to upload the photos. But here they are:

20 steps to DIY Ghetto Tire Removal and Installation

WARNING: PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO STEP #6

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Be ready for sore hands if this is your first time getting tires on.

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Step #16 - Yeah that's a 180 alright! :shades
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Basically, the thought behind cutting the tires in half relates to how easy it is to get 1 side of the tire on the rim.

Oh, and Lemon Fresh Pledge is your best friend.

Putting the tires back on the rim is where it gets difficult.

I'd suggest buying 4 of these:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93230

Cut them in half with a hack-saw and use only the spoon ends.

Another Note----Put some gloves on and also place some folded cloths under the tire iron spoons to keep from scratching the rims.

IT CAN BE DONE!
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby hk'dontoys » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:06 pm

you can also use strips of plastic from a 2 liter soda bottle as rim savers. large c-clamps to break the bead too.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby JeffreyCooper » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:14 am

I guess I've done it too many times... I know I can, I know I have tire irons... but I'll pay the $30 and let the shop fund their machine. :-)
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby Sprint 76 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:34 am

The easiest way to get a tire off the bead is with a utility knife. Using the knife, slice the tire all the way around on each sidewall. Then work the beads off with a screwdriver. You'll have the tire off in 5 mins. Mounting them is definitely a wrestling match, but with a partner and a screw driver, it's not all that bad. My wheels are powdercoated and I can use a screwdriver to pry the bead over without hurting the finish.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby pittman06 » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:05 pm

I just wanna add to this, i'm TIA Certified in Commercial (Semis and Farm) and Retail (passenger and light truck) tires, and been doin em for about 5 years. DO NOT! use pledge or anything close to that on the bead of your tires. Anything with petrolium or close will ruin the beads and eat away the rubber over time, causing corrosion and leaking around the rim. Your absolute best bet is to take a 5 dollar bill to your local tire shop and ask them to fill a bottle with tire lube. Its made to save the beads, treat the metal of the wheel, and resist corrosion. If you don't wanna do that, take some Dawn and mix about 3 parts dawn to 1 part water and that will also work much better then anything else. Also a good way to break the beads is to take a piece of metal, about 4 inchs long and 1/2 in wide and round off the end, make sure its long enough you can hold it, then pry between the rim and bead, rest it on the bead againest the rim, and hit it hard with a hammer, lube the bead before you break it down and it will come apart VERY easy. The beads and sidewalls on motorcycle tires are softer then most lawn mower tires. If you have any questions at all when it comes to tire repair or replacement i'd be more then happy to help anyone.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby xeon » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:57 am

pittman06 wrote: If you have any questions at all when it comes to tire repair or replacement i'd be more then happy to help anyone.

I might just take you up on that sometime... been thinking about buying or building a rig to change my own tires at some point. There's a site with a pretty nice looking procedure that uses a rig built from a 14" steel auto rim. My local shops are gouging me these days and they don't appear to be too careful with my rims either. Plus I like to do things myself.
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby pittman06 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:32 pm

i can buy tire tools at our cost, and send em out to you guys also if you need a good set of tire bars or so on, they make nice coated bars to protect your wheels, also you can get savers that wrap around the lip and all kinds of goodies
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby desmo748s » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:07 pm

Hey

has anyone ever tried to use a large, squeeze trigger wood clamp like they sell in home depot to break a tire bead? I bought a big one specifically to try this, it claims to have 500lbs of clamping force. And then I have some smaller ones I can use at other areas to pull the tire toward the center of the rim. I haven't had time to try it yet. Is this just moronic? Thanks Larry
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Re: Tire installation at home.

Postby GT Jackets » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:14 pm

desmo748s wrote:Hey

has anyone ever tried to use a large, squeeze trigger wood clamp like they sell in home depot to break a tire bead? I bought a big one specifically to try this, it claims to have 500lbs of clamping force. And then I have some smaller ones I can use at other areas to pull the tire toward the center of the rim. I haven't had time to try it yet. Is this just moronic? Thanks Larry


Good luck with that man. I have a few, but never thought of using them in this way. I think they will start to slip when it gets really tight.. :dunno
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