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Second gear shifting + stupid Bonus Qs inside

Postby GeorgeR » Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:00 pm

I've read serveral threads on the 2nd gear issue and since I have a fairly new cat, I want to stay out of gear problems as long as possible. So I've looked at trying to improve my shifting to what is least damaging but am getting confused in the process.<br>I've tried to long shift , fast shift, looked at different RPM's but can't seem to get down to sience. I still get clunks or slight gear grinding on slower lounging. Ever so often the bike changes gears, beautifully and I want that to be the norm.<br>In another thread a member mentioned toeing the second before actually shifting in to gear but all that does for me is hitting neutral and somtimes with a clunk for for my effort too.<br>My tranny is good in good shape, I just need technic.<br><br>Here is the stupid Qs... I've looked over my manual serveral times and I can't figure out how to use the fourways emergency turn signal. My bike is from over the pond but I don't thing that makes a difference. <br>Left-right press relase and .......<br>What am I missing besides some braincells.... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.yzf600r-usa.com/smilies/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :wave --><img src=http://www.yzf600r-usa.com/smilies/wave.gif ALT=":wave"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Second gear shifting + stupid Bonus Qs inside

Postby Jel » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:00 pm

George,<br><br>Sorry to hear you are having 2nd gear problems. I guess I'm one of those lucky ones as I'm closing in on 40k and have yet to encounter anything wrong with my 2nd gear or shifting into 2nd. I've always shifted fairly smoothly and quickly while doing a quick roll-off on the throttle. I know we are told to ease the clutch out but I just smoothly and quickly let it out, fast.<br><br>As for your 4 way emergency signal, where did you read this? Do you have the Factory Yamaha manual? Just curious cause this is the first time I've heard about this on our bikes. I know my buddies Kawi ZX-9R does it.<br><br> <p>-----------<br>Jel<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.canyonstrafers.com/members/jborillo/yzf_av.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.canyonstrafers.com">www.canyonstrafers.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Upcoming Trackdays<br><br>August 25 Monday Buttonwillow A/B/C Groups <br>September 10 Wednesday Thunderhill OPEN Format <br>October 23 Thursday Thunderhill OPEN Format</p><i></i>
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Re: Second gear shifting + stupid Bonus Qs inside

Postby cyclenerd » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:00 pm

George,<br><br>In addition to working on your technique, why not install the Factory Pro shift improver kit for extra insurance against missed shifts? It takes a couple of hours to install.<br><br>I encourage you to keep working on that "preload" technique, where you apply upward force on the shifter while accellerating. Then, when you back off of the throttle and pull in the clutch, the transmission will shift up "automatically" as soon as the shifting force that you are constanly applying exceeds the holding force generated by transmitting a torque load through the transmission. Keep at it -- you'll develop a feel for it.<br><br>-Ron <p></p><i></i>
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Postby rigor mortis » Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:00 pm

i'm still trying to get 7th gear...................... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Second gear shifting + stupid Bonus Qs inside

Postby GeorgeR » Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:00 pm

KAL, Concerning the manual, yeah I have my factory manual and no, I can't find a reference to a 4 way emergency singnal. I kind of thought such a great bike would have it specially since it might be requiered by law in some contries. <br>I guess then it doesn't, pitty though if you ask me.<br><br>Thanks on the shifting advice and yes I will keep at it. I'll try the preload technic and I'll look at the Factory Pro shift improver kit, it might be hard to get in my location.<br><br>I'm pretty shure if I can get it down to a sience I'll stay out of 2nd gear problems too since I don't abuse my bike, I'm quite conservative all things considered in my riding style... <p></p><i></i>
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adjust the shift lever

Postby Viper528i » Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:00 pm

I also experienced some shifting problems with my 97 cat and i took the liberty of adjusting the shift lever to take some slack out of it. That in cunjunction with practicing my preload gives me quick crisp shifts now. As far as clunks go from first gear to second there should only be one clunk since there is noise associated with shifting the tranny (where it goes into gear no problem) I've personally never grinded any of the gears but i have had the notorious two clunk 1st to 2nd upshift. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby ksilacci » Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:00 pm

<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">i'm still trying to get 7th gear...................... </blockquote><br><br>:biglol <p></p><i></i>
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Postby SVTkiller » Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:03 pm

ifyou hae figured out the science of this issue try this. it is very helpful. When rideing or under full load while you are approaching your shift point apply upward pressure on the shiftlever with you foot and as soon as you are eady to shift roll off the throttle just a little and either use the clutch or don't use the clutch, but as soon as you start to roll off the throttle te upwad pressure you are applyng to the shifter just follows through and jumps into the next gear, but i too still seem to have the problem of wanting that 7th gear sometimes.
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Postby HOV » Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:56 pm

I have noticed that when I shift quickly into second, there are no problems. But when I pull in the clutch and wait... clunk city.
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Postby YZFnwithme » Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:52 pm

He who hesitate's 2nd gear is lost. ;)
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Postby Weasel » Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:16 am

I also find that preloading works beautifully. It just needs a bit of practice to master. In the mean time... have a beer to soothe your troubles :cheers
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Postby IcEyZf » Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:45 pm

4-way flashers? :dunno no such thing on the Cat.

As for 2nd gear, switch to Synthetic oil, improves the shifting :ok
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Postby 97catintenn » Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:03 am

preloading helps, but also proper location of shift pedal. mine was and always has been a little high, but i didnt realize this till today.

i lowered shifter and that made all the difference.
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lower the shifter lever

Postby yzf seattle » Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:52 pm

I concur that lowering the shifter lever has really helped my shifting become smoother.
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Postby Proto » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:22 am

I guess I'll try some of the tips, I have an '03 and at times it smooth as can be, and other times it sould like a big CLUNK! We'll see how it goes.
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Postby phishisgr8 » Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:15 pm

97catintenn wrote:preloading helps, but also proper location of shift pedal. mine was and always has been a little high, but i didnt realize this till today.

i lowered shifter and that made all the difference.


Man..I'm sure if I read the manual it would tell me, but its all the way outside, under the cover, and I'm a lazy bastard.
Anyway...how exactly does one go about lowering the shift pedal? I wanna, but cant figure it out. I even took an allen wrench to the peg the other day, but couldnt figure it out. :stupid Help a brother out!
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Postby cyclenerd » Thu Dec 25, 2003 2:13 am

Take a look at the linkage that connects your shift pedal with the transmission's shift shaft. Note that there is a rod with a jam nut at each end. This rod is a turnbuckle -- it has one left-handed and one right-handed thread. Once the jam nuts are loosened, you can rotate the turnbuckle to either lengthen or shorten the length of the link. As you shorten and lengthen the link, you raise or lower the pedal.

Mark your pedal's current position, loosen the two jam nuts (remember, one of them is left-handed), twist the turnbuckle whily you watch the pedal rise or fall, then retighten the jam nuts when you've moved the pedal to the desired position. The turnbuckle provides smoothly-variable pedal height adjustment.

If you want to make a more major pedal height adjustment, you can remove the pivot arm from the shift shaft and relocate it by a spline.

You want to achieve a balance of adjustment between the turnbuckle and the splined shaft such that when you have the pedal adjusted to your preference, the angle between the pivot arm and the turnbuckle is close to 90 degrees.

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Postby phishisgr8 » Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:18 pm

You the man, Ron! Thank you sir
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Re: gears

Postby YZFBlisters » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:06 pm

rigor mortis wrote:i'm still trying to get 7th gear...................... <p></p><i></i>


I know exactly what you mean :biglol
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Postby pgold21 » Tue May 30, 2006 8:13 pm

Am I destroying my gearbox? Is it gone already?

Bike: 1999 Yamaha YZF 600R Thundercat, about 6500 miles all canyon riding, no commuting

Last saturday I went out with some friends and I had another gearbox episode. The latest in a serious of gearbox issues. This time, I was accelerating hard from a red light. I shifted from 1st to 2nd without a problem but as I was pushing it through the revs the gearbox slipped into neutral. This was either in 2nd or 3rd and I was still under throttle. Really scared me for a sec because the bike all of a sudden slowed. I put it back into gear and went about my way. Now I have experienced this slippage into neutral while slowing down a hill once in a while but never while under throttle.

Also, I've found that I need to give the gear shift lever and extra kick to get it to go from 1st to 2nd. I know this model notoriously has problems going into second.

Anyways, I'm really worried I am destroying my gearbox if I haven't done so already. I plan on selling the bike in late July/early August anyways so I really didn't want to put money into it. I just want to make sure this problem doesn't mess something else up and someday cause the chain to fail and then tear up my leg, get caught in the wheel and throw me off. Any ideas on what might be wrong? Cheap to fix or more like a $600 pain in the wallet? Should I be worries safety wise? Thanks.
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